Hi Matt, in a previous video you stated that validation of HTML wasn’t really important for ranking/SEO. This confuses me, would Google really want to send it’s users to websites which would be broken for a lot of them? Jimmy “@Feldon” Wirsborg, Stockholm, Sweden
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If you take the time to build a website "by the rules" — so to speak, there should be an award (even if it's a small award) over those who cut corners building websites, breaking all the rules. What's the point of having "Web Standards" if no one abides by them? I understand your "grammar analogy" but Google can actually help make the web a better place by awarding those who actually follow the rules of the web.
Who's the guest? I don't think his name was mentioned…
Is this advice still up to date or have the validation police won?
Provided the browser can load the page properly, the code doesn't necessarily have to be validated. I would also add that some websites have not been updated in a long time and were coded in what would be considered as outdated code. This code would likely be using some elements that have been deprecated but the browsers could still interpret that code and render properly. This code might not validate but is still usable.
which is why i have been trying to make HTML as best as possible on thefashioncentral.co.uk 🙂
inb4 google.com doesnt validate
check the validation of my website you will hardly find a bad code.
@kevpke It's hate 'em. Lol 😉
You don't need a Google specific reason in order to write valid code, be professionals.
@ribeirobreno Nope, a good website is informative, entertaining, engaging and interesting. How it's coded to acheive that goal is of little importance to the user 😉
Twin sons of different mothers…
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Good advice Danny. Thanks!
Will put money down that Google is bulk buying those shirts, let us know if you want Logo's added!
Thanks for this video. Haha you wont believe it but one of our SEO clients called me today about their site and the errors it was getting and I explained it just like you did.
I sent him a link of your video.
Thanks Matt
Did you choose the colors of your shirts on account of the origin of the questioner?
Thank u google for not being strict on html codes. we cant write every thing right
@DutchPow3r could be that there's only this kind of shirts in store, maybe everybody at Google wears them… 🙂
anyone actually checked if google's home page passes validation? it doesn't. Until it does I won't get all hung up over passing validation.
@aikighost Nope, one of my sites uses frameset. I didn't want to name it here because there's too many haters in the world, but what the hell, microbuild fullstop com
@Carbontm JSo you are actually talking about AJAX & iframes rather than traditional frames then In which case I say ok, but most people who use frames are not programmers and use them badly.
@aikighost Frames only suck if you don't know how to use them properly. The biggest moans I hear are that search engines will point to content pages which will then load without their surrounding frameset and that frames mess with browser navigation. I have a framed site and it does not suffer from those problems. What frames allow me to do, which otherwise would be very tricky, is to only load the content that changes.
what about if you make a misstake like you don't close h1 tag etc. it's not valid and it hurts your SEO for sure
Aaahhhh, I'm either stupid or Matt and Danny got it wrong? They say that the question contains a grammatical error, but I can't find it! Matt read the question incorrectly though… ?? Confused
@Carbontm Well there is a very good reason to hate frames. They suck 🙂
ghey
Polo shirts for the win 🙂
@jonathanzbecker didn't he always? 😉
@jonathanzbecker didn't he always? 😉
@Carbontm well better them than the people who build websites that only works with IE6 because they think no one uses anything else and upgrading to a new version of IE is just to difficult to do…
Thx for the answer, didn't really expect but hey guess what they do answer you if you ask them nicely ^^
A followup would be if the code can be to broken. Tweeted Matt this and will wait and see if I get an answer. Would be fun to know if they use a rendering engine to check if the page is viewable and you could use that to see if the page works or not, independently of how it looks in the browsers.
Does this mean that Danny Sullivan now speaks for Google?
@RWOverdijk I'll show you mine if you show me yours, websites that is 😉
@ANDiTKO It's not my place to say, but if page B has more impact on the site, and has extremely superior content, then I wouldn't be surprised. A F.A.Q in a site of mine ranked ahead of the index page once due to the many insightful answers, but then I built backlinks for the index. 😉
@Carbontm Well, I'm one of those people, yet my websites are perfectly fine. It's for sad little twats, such as yourself, that it becomes annoying, as you have no clue on how to solve stuff without hacking around. As long as you know how it works, it's not a problem. (Although I do hate people who support IE6, that's just insane)
Ok thats a very good question that i was wondering about. But can you please answer to me this:
If Page "A" has the same PR kewords/metadata/text as page "B" but page "B" has a valid code while page "A" dont. Will google show page "B" before "A" because it has valid code?
I dislike the 'validation' police, you know the ones… they turn javascript off, max out their font size, view every page in 20 different browsers, hate tables, hate frames and always own a crappy website 😉